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Michael Miller, Page 16

July 10, 2001 (1st message):

[Regarding the Royal Children's Hospital page regarding ToF] I had found this site before and through it I finally understood what I had. I was always been told I only had ToF and the variation of a missing pulm valve. After looking at doctor's notes and a letter to my pediatrition that had been given to my mother I discoved the Pulm. Atresia.

Good for you.

There are variations where there are no collaterals and the child dies within hours wouthout the shunt surgery or a specific medication (I can't remember the name) that keeps the ductus open.

And you obviously didn't have one of those variations, or you'd be dead now. You assume that your case fell into that category because you want to believe it, so that you can pretend that your survival was a miracle.

My "version" of this ToF with Pulm. Atresia did not include the collaterals or any other alternate pathways. That is why the docs were so stumped.

No, they just couldn't tell what alternate pathways the blood took. Again, you confuse medical diagnostic limitations with proof of a miracle.

I find it funny that you called my description "homespun." I have lived with it for 30 years. I know what I have and all about my other defects of which I would list but I don't want some of them published on your site.

You've already published them on the web [on another site]. If you didn't want them published on my site, you shouldn't have tried to use them as proof in an argument with me, particularly when I've always made it very clear that E-mail to me may be published.

You were quite happy to use your medical history as proof of the existence of God when it seemed like it would function as such. Now that it's obviously not as effective as you'd hoped, you want to pretend it never happened.

Have you lived with this? Do you have any idea what you are talking about concerning this? If you have experienced it then I apologize.

Proof through experience, eh? I haven't experienced ToF, but that doesn't mean I can't state that your survival was no miracle.

One of the unique things about what was done with me is that I am constately feeling my heart beat. There is almost no moment in time that I cannot feel it. And it gets most unnerving when I have a premature ventricular beat, or slight tachacardia. So I am well aware of what I have.

You seem to think that if you've experienced something, you must be an expert on all of the science behind it. If that's so, then answer this: if you fall off a building, does this make you an expert on gravity? Perhaps you should try it, so you can formulate the unifying theory of quantum gravity that scientists have been working on.

It's completely possible to experience something without having the slightest comprehension of it, and the fact that you have ToF does not mean that you can make unquestioned statements about your survival being a medical impossibility.

The bottom line is my heart defect combined with some of my other defects I should not be alive today. There is no real medical understanding of why I am. You may come up with some maybe not.

They aren't sure how you survived. However, there are obvious, established, known mechanisms through which your blood could have bypassed the blockage, and you are categorically dismissing those mechanisms as impossible just because they couldn't identify them at the time.

I have made this point repeatedly, but it doesn't seem to be getting through to you, or you would come up with a rebuttal to it instead of continually rewording your original argument.

[Editor's note: the salient point is that they aren't sure how he survived, but this doesn't mean that they are sure he shouldn't have survived]

As a side note concerning the heart and blood vessels I just discovered. Can evolution explain the centrifigal force inherrant in blood flow? And because of it's necessity how can it have slowly evolved when it is so finely tuned and precise?

Actually, fine-tuned precision is easily explained by evolution, since evolution is a process of constant adjustment.

BTW, what "centrifugal force" are you referring to? There is pressure in your arteries, which forces the blood to flow. However, unless you're spinning in circles, I don't see why there would be significant net centrifugal forces.

July 10, 2001 (2nd message):

We appear to be getting no where with this. So all I have to say now is please reconsider your assessment of the Bible, your Eternity depends upon it.

If it's true that God really exists, and he's the monstrous creature described in the Bible, then I would prefer to take my chances with Satan rather than sacrifice my ethics and bow down to that evil creature of hatred and murder and torture. Satan, after all, never committed any of God's atrocities.

[Editor's note: notice how, instead of answering any of the points I raised throughout this entire interminable discussion, he simply tries the "I know I'm right" tactic. In the last exchange, I threw down a challenge which he could not meet, and he threw down a challenge which I easily met, yet he still refuses to admit failure]

Let me save you the trouble here:
"As you can see, Mr. Miller, once again ignores my points and states one of the typical Christian platittuds. Obviously he is way out of his league here intellectually. Maybe he'll go away now."

You mock it, but you provide no evidence that it isn't true.

I have it about right don't I?

Except that you obviously refuse to accept that it's the truth.

And yes despite you...God bless you and your family.

I find that incredibly offensive. If a neo-Nazi said "May Hitler smile upon you", would you think that a good thing, or a bad thing? The God of the Bible is a hundred times more evil than Hitler ever was, so your blessing is an offensive insult. Keep it to yourself.

[Editor's note: lots of people have said "God bless you" to me in the past, and it usually doesn't bother me. However, when he says it, I know precisely which kind of God he's talking about, and that's why I find it offensive.]

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